KitsunE81 · Jan 24, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Hello, I was just curious, I see alot of trappers in Tombs (like IWAY groups) use an axe and a shield, why do they use these? They are a R/Me so they can't have points in Tactics to actually USE the shield/axe.

Also, shields like Lengthens Bleeding/Crippling/Blinding duration on foes does that imply on Traps aswell?

Deathqueen · Jan 24, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Probably a hp axe like the one I found that has +25Hps on it and you could add another +30 hps. And as for the shield there's some out there that lower the % time a condition remains on you. I found one yesterday that lowers deep wound duration by 33%. You don't have to have the shield requirements to get the bonus from them or any item for that matter only when it states so like w/enchanted or w/stance or w/hexed. Nor do you have to have the weapon requirements to get the bonuses like hit points unless it states w/enchanted or w/stance or w/hexed.

And of course there will be cries of nerf nerf NERF! when people find this out because this is just yet another advantage a person gets playing a PVE character up to PVP. So many things you can use from the PVE game that a pre-made or custom made cannot have. (smile)

Valerius · Jan 24, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

because their noobs... simply put

u want as much energy as possible without negative degen... hence why all trappers should weild staffs imo... i can see maybe switching to a bow for Oath Shot {E}... but other then that... nope

Jetdoc · Jan 24, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

1. The axe is likely the Firey Flame Spitter located outside of Serenity Temple, which gives a 10% chance of a quicker recharge, which would be nice for trappers.

2. The shield may be the +5 energy shield available outside of Frontier Gate.

That combo would give them +5 energy and 10% chance of a quicker recharge, and give them a little armor to boot. I personally don't like that combo since other focuses/staves give better bonuses, but who knows...

KitsunE81 · Jan 24, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Valerius

because their noobs... simply put

u want as much energy as possible without negative degen... hence why all trappers should weild staffs imo... i can see maybe switching to a bow for Oath Shot {E}... but other then that... nope

I was actually referring to Your Math Teacher (top ranked Guild) and I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing.... they used to use staffs but they suddenly changed to this.

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

1. The axe is likely the Firey Flame Spitter located outside of Serenity Temple, which gives a 10% chance of a quicker recharge, which would be nice for trappers.

2. The shield may be the +5 energy shield available outside of Frontier Gate.

That combo would give them +5 energy and 10% chance of a quicker recharge, and give them a little armor to boot. I personally don't like that combo since other focuses/staves give better bonuses, but who knows...

ah, wow, ty, this helps alot! Just the anwser I was looking for!

EDIT: I checked both places out, and couldn't find anything, are you sure your information is correct?

Pardoz · Jan 24, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

1. The axe is likely the Firey Flame Spitter located outside of Serenity Temple, which gives a 10% chance of a quicker recharge, which would be nice for trappers.

...if the +x% recharge items worked on skills, anyway. Since they don't, I don't much see the point, myself.

KitsunE81 · Jan 25, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by Pardoz

...if the +x% recharge items worked on skills, anyway. Since they don't, I don't much see the point, myself.

aahhh, well, he didn't say it was for spells, now did he.

cagan · Jan 25, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

I'm sure you mean to say 'he didn't say it was for skills', in which case .... so?, we are talking about a trapper here, the flame spitter really isn't liable to help them out much since the traps aren't ever being sped up.

E Power · Jan 25, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

crippling axe hafts work with spike trap and barbed trap. for the shield, it must be something really good :P. Trappers do not need as much energy as you think, energy saves you a load.

Pardoz · Jan 25, 2006, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by KitsunE81

aahhh, well, he didn't say it was for spells, now did he.

No, he said it was for skills, specifically traps. Given that the +recharge items now explicitly state they only work on spells, instead of the old, misleading, wording about "skills", there's no point to using them for a trapper. Never was, but now it's obvious.

Jetdoc · Jan 25, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by Pardoz

Given that the +recharge items now explicitly state they only work on spells, instead of the old, misleading, wording about "skills", there's no point to using them for a trapper.

Bingo - I was thinking that the axe still improved skill recharge, and didn't realize that it had been changed to specifically state it only works on spells.

There were many in this thread...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=93087

....that were under the same impression.

Hockster · Jan 25, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36

NVM, already been stated.

tafy69 · Jan 25, 2006, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Check out their pve characters with their helms hidden

KitsunE81 · Jan 25, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

So, if they changed the axe with the +x% recharge to make it for spells only it's useless for a Ranger Trapper, well, what do you reckon they use then? (Seeing as it never actually worked)

Also, I've heard if you have like a shield with armor 16 (req 9 Strength) and you don't have the requirements you still get SOME of the extra armor?

Seissor · Jan 25, 2006, 02:55 PM // 14:55

You get a tiny bonus. But all the mods you get full bonus.

Shield 16 armor req 9. strength +45 hp enchanted

with 0 strength u might get 3armor and u will definately get +45 hp enchanted

fiery · Jan 25, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Quote:

Hello, I was just curious, I see alot of trappers in Tombs (like IWAY groups) use an axe and a shield, why do they use these? They are a R/Me so they can't have points in Tactics to actually USE the shield/axe.

its still retarted and very useless for a trap weilding an axe and shield.. even if it does duration compleltey useless..that second or more of crippling..once the condition hits it will be mend ailment by the monk.. trappers NEEDS staffs cant express that enough... i flamed a guy in my group claming to be rank 6 and blah blah...and yet he uses a fire wand..staffs only.. for the +10 energy and any other mods would be great maybe another r health or armor or recharge/casting mods.. others wont just do.

Hell Marauder · Jan 25, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Hmmm R/Me trappers using axe/shield, wonder if they have Illusion Weaponry on their skill bar......

mortalis doleo · Jan 25, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

they might use it to get close to enemies easilly, but thatisnt tough with a ranged weapon...

KitsunE81 · Jan 25, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Hell Marauder

Hmmm R/Me trappers using axe/shield, wonder if they have Illusion Weaponry on their skill bar......

No, I'm pretty sure they used Spike Trap....

Cherno · Jan 25, 2006, 08:06 PM // 20:06

I've been progressing my ranger to start getting into trapper groups and have been looking for the ideal staff. I thought that Flint's Fleshcleaver or Gorell's Staff would probably be the best options. But now that I am looking at the new green staves, I think they are technically better are they not? Especially compared to fleshcleaver which was my decision over Gorells because of the energy boost.

It has the 15 Energy, 30 health and 10% global chance to improve casting and recharge.

If my understanding is correct, I am surprised the new green staves aren't going for a little more than they are because they seem to be the perfect staff fit for a trapper.

Jan 24, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15	#1
KitsunE81 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands, The Guild: Bambis Dont Say [Meow] Profession: Me/	Axes/Shields on Ranger Trappers? Hello, I was just curious, I see alot of trappers in Tombs (like IWAY groups) use an axe and a shield, why do they use these? They are a R/Me so they can't have points in Tactics to actually USE the shield/axe. Also, shields like Lengthens Bleeding/Crippling/Blinding duration on foes does that imply on Traps aswell?

Jan 24, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36	#2
Deathqueen Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006	Probably a hp axe like the one I found that has +25Hps on it and you could add another +30 hps. And as for the shield there's some out there that lower the % time a condition remains on you. I found one yesterday that lowers deep wound duration by 33%. You don't have to have the shield requirements to get the bonus from them or any item for that matter only when it states so like w/enchanted or w/stance or w/hexed. Nor do you have to have the weapon requirements to get the bonuses like hit points unless it states w/enchanted or w/stance or w/hexed. And of course there will be cries of nerf nerf NERF! when people find this out because this is just yet another advantage a person gets playing a PVE character up to PVP. So many things you can use from the PVE game that a pre-made or custom made cannot have. (smile) Last edited by Deathqueen; Jan 24, 2006 at 07:39 PM // 19:39..

Jan 25, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57	#14
KitsunE81 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands, The Guild: Bambis Dont Say [Meow] Profession: Me/	So, if they changed the axe with the +x% recharge to make it for spells only it's useless for a Ranger Trapper, well, what do you reckon they use then? (Seeing as it never actually worked) Also, I've heard if you have like a shield with armor 16 (req 9 Strength) and you don't have the requirements you still get SOME of the extra armor? Last edited by KitsunE81; Jan 25, 2006 at 01:25 PM // 13:25..

Jan 24, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10	#3
Valerius Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canada Profession: R/	because their noobs... simply put u want as much energy as possible without negative degen... hence why all trappers should weild staffs imo... i can see maybe switching to a bow for Oath Shot {E}... but other then that... nope

Jan 24, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36	#4
Jetdoc Hell's Protector Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: The Eyes of Texas [BEVO] Profession: D/A	1. The axe is likely the Firey Flame Spitter located outside of Serenity Temple, which gives a 10% chance of a quicker recharge, which would be nice for trappers. 2. The shield may be the +5 energy shield available outside of Frontier Gate. That combo would give them +5 energy and 10% chance of a quicker recharge, and give them a little armor to boot. I personally don't like that combo since other focuses/staves give better bonuses, but who knows...

Jan 25, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07	#8
cagan Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: Me/Mo	I'm sure you mean to say 'he didn't say it was for skills', in which case .... so?, we are talking about a trapper here, the flame spitter really isn't liable to help them out much since the traps aren't ever being sped up.

Jan 25, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10	#9
E Power Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York City Guild: Wisdom of the Raven [MyM]	crippling axe hafts work with spike trap and barbed trap. for the shield, it must be something really good :P. Trappers do not need as much energy as you think, energy saves you a load.

Jan 25, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36	#12
Hockster Banned Join Date: Jul 2005	NVM, already been stated.

Jan 25, 2006, 09:37 AM // 09:37	#13
tafy69 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: N/Me	Check out their pve characters with their helms hidden

Jan 25, 2006, 02:55 PM // 14:55	#15
Seissor Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Squiggilyville. Population: Me. Guild: [oRly] Hello Kitty Death Squad Profession: R/Me	You get a tiny bonus. But all the mods you get full bonus. Shield 16 armor req 9. strength +45 hp enchanted with 0 strength u might get 3armor and u will definately get +45 hp enchanted

Jan 25, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04	#17
Hell Marauder Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	Hmmm R/Me trappers using axe/shield, wonder if they have Illusion Weaponry on their skill bar......

Jan 25, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47	#18
mortalis doleo Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: my house Guild: The Cutting Edge [TCE] Profession: N/	they might use it to get close to enemies easilly, but thatisnt tough with a ranged weapon...

Jan 25, 2006, 08:06 PM // 20:06	#20
Cherno Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Stars of Destiny Profession: E/	I've been progressing my ranger to start getting into trapper groups and have been looking for the ideal staff. I thought that Flint's Fleshcleaver or Gorell's Staff would probably be the best options. But now that I am looking at the new green staves, I think they are technically better are they not? Especially compared to fleshcleaver which was my decision over Gorells because of the energy boost. It has the 15 Energy, 30 health and 10% global chance to improve casting and recharge. If my understanding is correct, I am surprised the new green staves aren't going for a little more than they are because they seem to be the perfect staff fit for a trapper.